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Dover workers tackle massive snowpile
Melting needed as large mound hinders activities
By Logan B. Anderson
Delaware State News
DOVER — Even though spring is just around the corner and temperatures are slowly rising, the City of Dover is still dealing with snow.
Programs at the city’s Schutte Park are set to begin a busy schedule of activities, but a giant mountain of snow stood blocking an entrance to the park’s parking lot.
During February’s record-setting snowfall, the city moved snow from roads and other areas to Schutte Park.
Wednesday, city workers set out to battle the snow mountain armed with heavy machinery.
"We are trying to get it to melt, because we have three soccer fields there that can’t be used because there is no parking for them," Dover City Manager Anthony DePrima said.
With two large front-end loaders, city workers broke the large pile into smaller mounds to aid in its melting.
"The snow is really going to start interfering with the soccer program. We are trying to expedite the melting by breaking it up," Mr. DePrima said, "If you take a snow pile and you break it up into three smaller parts it will melt a lot faster. We are hoping since it will be raining here shortly, that the rain will help."
Mr. DePrima said helping to reduce the snow mountain at the park will also allow residents access to the park’s other amenities.
"There is a beautiful playground back there; we are trying to create some parking," he said.
Schutte Park was the only location where the city transported its blizzard accumulation.
Though the Schutte Park snow mound required extra work, Mr. DePrima isn’t expecting any other melting-snow-related issues, like flooding.
"It has been going slow enough that we haven’t had any major flooding that I am aware of," he said. "The ground water was already high before the snow, so I would imagine that everybody with water in their basement will still have it. If they had it before the snow, they will have it long after."
Staff writer Logan B. Anderson can be reached at 741-8230 or landerson@newszap.com.
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All the time I have worked in the quarry over here, we know how to remove snow quick and effectively. It would work in Dover too. Open a bunch of fire hydrants in the city. the water temperature is in the low to mid 50s, so it will melt snow and ice easily. Forget snow plows - leave them parked.
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| Posted: Sun Feb 28th, 2010 05:09 pm |
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The point is, 30 years ago taxes were lower, nobody in City Hall was paid $100,000 a year, it DID snow and it snowed deep, but the city had workers and equipment to clear it quickly and effectively. The City Manager, however, did not blame the state, or light-weight plows, or untrained drivers for any problems that may have occurred. I guess the city was simply better run then, than now. And more efficiently. Don't blame the tax rate for current incompetence.
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| Posted: Sun Feb 28th, 2010 05:04 pm |
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Alls Im saying is you do what you have to do (wherever you live) to maintain the status quo; get people to work and where they need to go. It's a different mindset down here... if we want adequate snow removal we have to pay for it...if we want to remain snowbound for days on end (and listening to people complain), we opt out, our taxes remain the same; so we let the state and city struggle through weather crises uninformed and ill equipped, well that's the way it will be. Its not my choice, Im just making suggestions for possible improvements to city operations...if the residents of this area want to build a new library or spend their money in the casinos instead of improving life around them, that's their choice...if the people of this area choose otherwise, well, that's the way it will be, its not up to me alone. Change scares people to death; we as the Capital of the First State need to decide these things/set a precedent and let our city servants know how we feel, or the status will remain quo and the next time we have a natural disaster of any sort, city operations will remain crippled. Be proactive...the choice is yours....
I believe Ben Franklin said, "Evil (and disaster) prospers when good men do nothing.
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| Posted: Sun Feb 28th, 2010 04:27 pm |
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Ladybiker wrote: Just spent a week up in Lake Placid NY where snow removal is as natural to them as brushing one's teeth. IF there is a snowfall, the plows are out all day EVERYDAY, til snow is removed off of ALL roadways, not just one or two. In the evenings they salt and shovel their sidewalks, malls etc and brine the roads. IF they dont do this, tourism, which is their key source of revenue, will be non existent. I say we send our road crews up there for a week or so so they can learn how to do clear streets and sidewalks. There was three feet of snow overnight in Orange county NY and 5 feet of snow in the Catskills. These areas are mountainous and treacherous....IF the roads crews didnt know their job/s a LOT of people would be in deadly accidents.
It may not snow again like this here for another 30 years, so send some young guys that will be around the next time this snow phenomena happens.
You talk about the clear streets but you don't mention the taxes those people pay to have all that equipment and manpower running all the time until you can walk around the same day it snows. Those taxes are what are driving all the people from up there and NJ to crowd us out down here. Put up with the snow for a couple of weeks in these unusual storms and quit worrying about it. It's not a big deal.
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| Posted: Sun Feb 28th, 2010 03:50 pm |
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Just spent a week up in Lake Placid NY where snow removal is as natural to them as brushing one's teeth. IF there is a snowfall, the plows are out all day EVERYDAY, til snow is removed off of ALL roadways, not just one or two. In the evenings they salt and shovel their sidewalks, malls etc and brine the roads. IF they dont do this, tourism, which is their key source of revenue, will be non existent. I say we send our road crews up there for a week or so so they can learn how to do clear streets and sidewalks. There was three feet of snow overnight in Orange county NY and 5 feet of snow in the Catskills. These areas are mountainous and treacherous....IF the roads crews didnt know their job/s a LOT of people would be in deadly accidents.
It may not snow again like this here for another 30 years, so send some young guys that will be around the next time this snow phenomena happens.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 22nd, 2010 11:45 pm |
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wtf wrote: poobah2000 wrote: The problem(s) with a new $24,000,000 library have been adequately discussed within this and other forums and the project is proceding, problems or not. Rehash not needed here. This writer's "qualification" to "second guess those in charge?" Rather than be specific let's just say "job." Plus, most importantly, I am an American Citizen, and although some would deny us the right to question our governments or second guess those "in charge," or simply complain, that right does still exist for each of us citizens, for now, even in Dover, Delaware. Sorry if you don't like that. Enjoy the next blizzard and, I might suggest, be prepared. Get a snow shovel now. But don't complain if the city fines you if your sidewalk isn't cleared or you can't get your car into the street. City Hall knows best.
Thank you for the lecture on American civics, it's really not needed. I have no problem with anyone questioning government, what I have a problem with is people who have no experience in the topic they are attempting to discuss such as co-ordinating snow removal for a municipality the size of Dover DE. I have no issues with a complaint if the person has a viable solution, so far I haven't seen you offer any solutions to anything you are complaining about.
I will enjoy the next blizzard I happen to like snow, and I'm prepared. I own a snow blower which I brought along when moved here. The city won't fine me because:
a) we don't have sidewalks and
b) I was prepared and smart enough not to buy within an annexed portion of the community where I live which is Milford.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 22nd, 2010 11:09 pm |
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poobah2000 wrote: The problem(s) with a new $24,000,000 library have been adequately discussed within this and other forums and the project is proceding, problems or not. Rehash not needed here. This writer's "qualification" to "second guess those in charge?" Rather than be specific let's just say "job." Plus, most importantly, I am an American Citizen, and although some would deny us the right to question our governments or second guess those "in charge," or simply complain, that right does still exist for each of us citizens, for now, even in Dover, Delaware. Sorry if you don't like that. Enjoy the next blizzard and, I might suggest, be prepared. Get a snow shovel now. But don't complain if the city fines you if your sidewalk isn't cleared or you can't get your car into the street. City Hall knows best.
Thank you for the lecture on American civics, it's really not needed. I have no problem with anyone questioning government, what I have a problem with is people who have no experience in the topic they are attempting to discuss such as co-ordinating snow removal for a municipality the size of Dover DE. I have no issues with a complaint if the person has a viable solution, so far I haven't seen you offer any solutions to anything you are complaining about.
I will enjoy the next blizzard I happen to like snow, and I'm prepared. I own a snow blower which I brought along when moved here. The city won't fine me because:
a) we don't have sidewalks and
b) I was prepared and smart enough not to buy within an annexed portion of the community where I live which is Milford.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 22nd, 2010 11:00 pm |
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I'm no fan of DePrima. I have not been pleased with his decisions and his attitude. I was very angry with his handling of snow removal in December, but I do have to give credit where credit is due and the last big snow storms the roads have been handled much better. There is certainly room for improvement and I understand that some of the developments were not cleared well, but I still saw a big improvement since December. After that storm, even the main roads were barely passable. It appears that Dover is moving in the right direction. There has been better planning and more resources brought in to handle the job that last couple of times.
The library is another issue all together and it appears to me that DePrima is going to make sure this happens no matter what anyone else may say. There are council members as well as DePrima that want this. We need a larger library than what we have, but we don't need the Taj Mahal library being planned and the location is not good. Council needs to stop DePrima, but I doubt they will. Ruane's wife is part of the committee pushing this library.
Dover needs the brown water addressed. Flushing the pipes and pushing the disgusting mess into our homes every few months is not a solution. I hold DePrima responsible for not handling this better. We need a real solution.
Employees are being furloughed due to budget shortfalls. It appears that the plan now is to increase property taxes to make up for this (new higher property valuations along with actual tax increases). I think DePrima could look at other areas to scale back. Hint - the new library would be one good start.
Again, I am no fan of DePrima, but I did see a big improvement in snow removal so I do give him and the city credit for that.
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The problem(s) with a new $24,000,000 library have been adequately discussed within this and other forums and the project is proceding, problems or not. Rehash not needed here. This writer's "qualification" to "second guess those in charge?" Rather than be specific let's just say "job." Plus, most importantly, I am an American Citizen, and although some would deny us the right to question our governments or second guess those "in charge," or simply complain, that right does still exist for each of us citizens, for now, even in Dover, Delaware. Sorry if you don't like that. Enjoy the next blizzard and, I might suggest, be prepared. Get a snow shovel now. But don't complain if the city fines you if your sidewalk isn't cleared or you can't get your car into the street. City Hall knows best.
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wtf wrote: poobah2000 wrote: Right again. We can spend millions for a not-needed library, but can't spring for "heavy" plows. (Manager DePrima said the plows weren't heavy enough.) Quit complaining, Dover. Be glad this isn't Buffalo.
Why isn't the library needed, because you don't use a library? What is your area of specific expertise in snowplowing and/or snow removal equipment?
Another snow job?
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poobah2000 wrote: Excuse me, but Dover HAS a library. Or didn't you know that?
I'm well aware Dover has a library, what's the problem with a new library?
Why didn't you answer my other question, since you seem to have no problem second guessing the decisions of those in charge what are your "qualifications" (I believe that was the term you used about dlbonar) in snow removal?
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Excuse me, but Dover HAS a library. Or didn't you know that?
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poobah2000 wrote: Right again. We can spend millions for a not-needed library, but can't spring for "heavy" plows. (Manager DePrima said the plows weren't heavy enough.) Quit complaining, Dover. Be glad this isn't Buffalo.
Why isn't the library needed, because you don't use a library? What is your area of specific expertise in snowplowing and/or snow removal equipment?
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Right again. We can spend millions for a not-needed library, but can't spring for "heavy" plows. (Manager DePrima said the plows weren't heavy enough.) Quit complaining, Dover. Be glad this isn't Buffalo.
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poobah2000 wrote: You're right. We should not be prepared. And those city people of the past were wrong to be prepared. And those washboard streets of the storm before last were just in our imaginations. I feel better now.
Nowhere did I say not to be prepared. No one can "prepare" for a blizzard, even in the regions where they occur more than they do in Delaware. How much taxpayer money should be put into equipment that gets used only occassionally? The Dover Air Force base wasn't prepared other than having all the jets relocated to a different base, that should tell any person something when a United Sates Government military facility comes to a grinding halt.
You want to see and drive on washboard streets take a ride up to NYC or Boston, MA or Concord NH, Burlington VT, Syracuse NY, Augusta, ME or any other northeast city the size of Dover or larger, and they are as best equipped and prepared as it gets.
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"Mr. bonar" has good ideas? Like what? And with his "background" is he even qualified to be a candidate?
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You're right. We should not be prepared. And those city people of the past were wrong to be prepared. And those washboard streets of the storm before last were just in our imaginations. I feel better now.
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Thanks for proving my point a 9' plow is for a truck up to 1 ton which is light duty, and the price doesn't include installation. BTW Western plows are the bottom of the barrel as far as quality and reliability.
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wtf wrote: poobah2000 wrote: So let me get this straight. According to you The City does not have the proper equipment to plow snow. According to Tony DePrima The City doesn't even have drivers who know how to drive snow plows. What happened? Once upon a time Dover had both plows, graders, and employees who knew how to plow snow. I know many of the former employees have retired, but where did the equipment go? Do you and New Jersey DePrima really think we live in the tropics, that it's never snowed here before, and never will again? And we're paying T. DePrima something like $133,000 a year for his incompetence but can't afford plows? Spare us your excuses.
And if they had a fleet of plows that didn't get used you or someone else would be complaining about that.
Even the Northeast would have had problems with the back to back blizzards we got down here and they have plows, the manpower, material and knowledge to handle the winters. Average cost of plows installed $5,000.00 for light duty trucks (4 x4 pickups etc)...... $8-$10,000.+ for heavy duty trucks, it doesn't take long to eat up the equivalent of the directors salary and then some for equipment that will MAYBE get used once every few years and sit there rusting otherwise. We have more need for equipment for the other 3 seasons which we have more of in this climate. I'm sure there are others like me that are glad you aren't the director with the knee jerk reaction of lets buy plows because we got hit with 2 major storms the first ones that we've had in the last 10 or so years.
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poobah2000 wrote: So let me get this straight. According to you The City does not have the proper equipment to plow snow. According to Tony DePrima The City doesn't even have drivers who know how to drive snow plows. What happened? Once upon a time Dover had both plows, graders, and employees who knew how to plow snow. I know many of the former employees have retired, but where did the equipment go? Do you and New Jersey DePrima really think we live in the tropics, that it's never snowed here before, and never will again? And we're paying T. DePrima something like $133,000 a year for his incompetence but can't afford plows? Spare us your excuses.
And if they had a fleet of plows that didn't get used you or someone else would be complaining about that.
Even the Northeast would have had problems with the back to back blizzards we got down here and they have plows, the manpower, material and knowledge to handle the winters. Average cost of plows installed $5,000.00 for light duty trucks (4 x4 pickups etc)...... $8-$10,000.+ for heavy duty trucks, it doesn't take long to eat up the equivalent of the directors salary and then some for equipment that will MAYBE get used once every few years and sit there rusting otherwise. We have more need for equipment for the other 3 seasons which we have more of in this climate. I'm sure there are others like me that are glad you aren't the director with the knee jerk reaction of lets buy plows because we got hit with 2 major storms the first ones that we've had in the last 10 or so years.
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So let me get this straight. According to you The City does not have the proper equipment to plow snow. According to Tony DePrima The City doesn't even have drivers who know how to drive snow plows. What happened? Once upon a time Dover had both plows, graders, and employees who knew how to plow snow. I know many of the former employees have retired, but where did the equipment go? Do you and New Jersey DePrima really think we live in the tropics, that it's never snowed here before, and never will again? And we're paying T. DePrima something like $133,000 a year for his incompetence but can't afford plows? Spare us your excuses.
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I've taken the time to drive through almost every neighborhood in Dover. Some are better than others, but many remained one lane, for all intents and purposes. While we have our challenges, we did pretty well, compared with Wilmington and other locations outside Dover. BTW, I did take the trouble to go outside my immediate neighborhood immediately after the State of Emergency was lifted and I could get out. Pre treating helped greatly, as did keeping the plows out. Should we spend a large amount of money for equipment for a snow like this? Not in my opinion, since it happens infrequently. How about leasing a snow melting unit that melts ten truckloads an hour. It's done elsewhere pretty successfully.
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Hey poobah, Mr bonar actually does get out of his house and ride around and recommends improvements to key people. If youd listen to what he is saying youd realize its a monumental effort to move all this snow and this area just isnt equipped to deal with all this. Ive talked with Mr bonar and know he has some good ideas which will be put into place to improve this sort of thing when he gets elected. Rome wasnt built in a day, it took time, preparation and money.
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It seems that Poobah is anti city employee, how many votes do you really think come from city employees. a majority of city employees live out of the City or not in the same district. I can tell you that i was out during both storms and worked in both New Castle and Kent County. As being exposed in both the City of Wilmington and Dover road conditions during and after the storm while on state active duty with the national guard, i can tell you that Dover had better road conditions from snow removal than Wilmington and most all other areas i was in. Of course the city has had areas that needed some more attention, such as Nottingham meadows. This storm was a larger than normal storm for this area in years. Under the conditions, i think the city did a good job.
Poobah, riddle me this? If the city raised taxes or had a referendum for a special tax to pay for the equipment needed to handle this amount of snow, would you support this? I mean maybe the city should buy all heavy duty snow removal equipment to handle the once in 25 year snow fall that fell on Dover this year.
Now you can turn this around and make negative comments, instead of having a civil debate. Your choice.
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Council candidate Bonar, in his attempt to win City employee votes, heaps snowy praise upon the city's weak snow removal effort, and our worthless City Manager. Apparently candidate Bonar hasn't tried to drive Dover streets other than his own. Otherwise he'd know that even now two cars can't pass each other without one moving over. Mr. Bonar: Get out of your house and try to ride around.
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Those people praising the city of Dover's pitiful snow plowing effort must be City of Dover employees who've been told what to say.
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Had to laugh at the letter to the editor in todays paper....clean your sidewalks; what a joke!.... still waiting for the snow to melt so I can park my car in the street in front of my house, instead of practically the middle of the road in my neighborhood. While I feel for the postal carriers, my sidewalks are still buried under piles of snow left behind by the plows on their purfunctory swipe through my neighborhood. AND I live on a corner lot.....I dont have a mere 10 feet of sidewalk to clear like most people....I have probably about 100 .... buried under 2-3 feet of snow. Until then, I'll do what the city is doing at this point....waiting for the rest of the snow to melt. So, I'd like to see the city of dover enforce this mandate when the roads in my neighborhood remain abyssmal. Getting back to normal is a relative term right now....normal is what we have come to accept until the rest of the snow melts.
The school buses dont do the regular routes in our neighborhood yet and there are no elementary school children walking through our neighborhood since (thankfully) Reily Brown School is under renovation. The middle and high school kids meet their buses on Webbs lane and Kesselring since the buses still cant come down many of the streets here in Mayfair....
this is the way it stands at the moment....that is the "accepted normal" around this part of Dover.
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Yeah people really do need to slow down. I have not been down New Burton Road since the snow, but on a normal day people drive way too fast on that road. Governors Ave was fun driving down yesterday after I dropped my daughter off at school. The road is clear, but with all of the college students parked out there it is very tight driving down. Everybody be careful and take your time. You want to get to your destination in one piece.
Also, I wanted to say that Deldot has been working really hard the last two days trying to get some of the ice up on my road. I really appreciate the hard work. Hopefully with the work they have done and the warmer temps the ice will melt soon.
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I really wonder whats up with New Burton Road....my son almost got rearended two days ago by someone going too fast on the ice and this cowboy in a mustang was flying down same road today and almost blew me off the road when I pulled out. Just because the snow is on the sides of the road these people think they own it. I think we really need to put some stop lights in there for these people that routinely dont obey posted speed limits or road conditions. Take it easy out there people.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17th, 2010 12:04 am |
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People just need to drive cautiously and sensibly for awhile. Then they can go back to their tailgating and speeding. I'm tired of hearing DelDot blamed for it all - they've been doing their best. It's not like we've been marooned for weeks on end. I worked at the hospital for 17 years and had to drive through all kinds of weather to get to work. I never had an accident, never slid off the road. I'm sure though, that some of the people behind me were frustrated at times, considering the way they would zoom around me. Always hoped I'd see one of them a mile down the road in a snowbank.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 16th, 2010 03:13 pm |
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Amen Hartly boy, we have the same problem on New Burton Road in dover proper. People are driving around on roads they think are cleared, but have this packed ice under the blowing snow. Some such AH was flying down New Burton road this morning at about 50 mph and almost took out my son on his way to work, fortunately he saw them coming and was able to get outta the way. SLOW DOWN EVERYONE!! SLOW THE H DOWN! Better to arrive late than not at all.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 16th, 2010 12:13 am |
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The roads in my development are terrible. Should be interesting watching the school buses trying to drive in here tomorrow. Maybe if the buses start getting stuck someone will come plow.
I called Deldot to ask if they could send a plow and the guy on the phone laughed and said he would pass on my request, but he said don't count on someone coming. WTH??? I can't believe he laughed.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 15th, 2010 06:51 pm |
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There are a number of roads still in bad shape around the County, mostly caused by the drifting snow due to high winds. When this happens after the road has been plowed and people have to drive over the snow, it packs it down into ice that even the biggest plow trucks have trouble trying to move.
I was behind a 10 wheeler plow truck this morning on Judith Road as it went after some drifts with unlying ice ruts. That fully loaded truck hit the snow and ice and was stopped and driven sideways! These aren't toys, but some serious hardware and it took the driver three tries to open the road again, but the ruts and ice underneath are there for the duration. Point being, rutted roads are not there becaue the crews aren't trying but because we don't have anything that will peel ice ruts.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 15th, 2010 12:22 pm |
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With the rain and sleet coming tonight, everyone, becareful of the black ice.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 15th, 2010 01:55 am |
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Webbs Lane up by old DSN is really bad. Theres a patch of snow that wasnt cleared off the roads. I knew of this patch so I slowed down and eventually stopped. Put car in first gear and gingerly proceeded onto the ice....still went into a skid. Glad no one was coming the other way....that black ice is deadly and as this snow melts its gonna get worse....word to the wise!!!!!!......
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thanks WTF but theres no danger of anyone slipping and falling on my sidewalk....its buried so deep in piles of snow I probably wont see it til spring.
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I know from being out in it for over a week. The problems are many.
1) The snow was so heavy and so fast at piling up that Dover's trucks and some equipment couldn't plow, because of the power needed to move such large amounts.
2) I plowed, shoveled, salted and sanded over 30 residents in Dover. I had a list before hand, of the people who wanted or needed there driveways done. What I experienced was this.
a) Everybody wants there's done first at 8 am on the first mobile day after. (Impossible)
b) People who didn't call ahead of the storm, called as soon as the flakes stopped and need their's done ASAP. (Sorry, but we can only take so many customers)
c) I had 108 calls from people not on the list before hand. It is impossible to make everyone happy.
3) As for myself and the hardworking snow removal guys, city, county, state and private, we had little place to put the snow once we had our hands on it.
Anyone notice all the trucks hauling snow out of were ever. They needed a place to put it. Shutte Park and other places. A lot of logicistics involved.
I would hate to see a real disaster, people would come apart at the seams.
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Ryan
http://www.DoverHandyman.com
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Ladybiker wrote: One more thing....suggesting residents clear their sidewalks is a joke....I will clean my sidewalks when the city cleans the roads in my subdivision..... dont EVEN try to fine me......
anyone disagree with me?????
While I agree with your reasoning you may find that if someone were to slip and fall on your section of the sidewalk they can sue you......check with your homeowner insurance carrier. I knew a homeowner years ago who was sued when a pedestrian walking slipped and fell in front of their home. The homeowner lost and their insurance had to pay a hefty settlement.
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maria agnew wrote: I leave in Rodney Village, Joshua Clayton Rd. In the Dec. snowstorm they didn't come to removed any snow, neither they came for the last storm. On Thursday a Department of Transportation orange truck came down my street with the plow elevated. On Friday another truck passed -same thing-. The condition of my street and the intersection with Ganning Bedford is absolutely pittiful!!!!!. Many people are getting stuck over there. I called yesterday Friday to Del. DOT complaining about it and they told me they didn't know what contractor was responsible for cleaning my street. Why they don't know?. .. They said they will get into it. Well, today is Saturday 13th. and we continue with the same problem.
You need to buy a dog sled.
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I leave in Rodney Village, Joshua Clayton Rd. In the Dec. snowstorm they didn't come to removed any snow, neither they came for the last storm. On Thursday a Department of Transportation orange truck came down my street with the plow elevated. On Friday another truck passed -same thing-. The condition of my street and the intersection with Ganning Bedford is absolutely pittiful!!!!!. Many people are getting stuck over there. I called yesterday Friday to Del. DOT complaining about it and they told me they didn't know what contractor was responsible for cleaning my street. Why they don't know?. .. They said they will get into it. Well, today is Saturday 13th. and we continue with the same problem.
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Understood DB; u play a good devil's advocate!..... I know Dover is a small city and theyre trying, but New Burton is a well travelled road....as well travelled as State and Governors and deserves the same consideration to those of us who live in south Dover......bite your tongue on that eight inches thing.....I also heard the deep south got snow. So much for global warming......
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I personally think DelDot and City of Dover have learned their lesson since December. My neighborhood on the west side of Dover had a godd 5 passes each from both Feb. storms. A tip of my cap to them
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LB good points. The longer residents wait, though, the more angry they get. I drove down several side streets Friday and they are not in good shape at all. It was, on the other hand, a large storm, for an area that is not well equipped to handle a large storm. Dover, after all, still a small city and there are only so many pieces of equipment and people to go around. Oh, and by the way; another 8 inches plus are possible on Monday night.
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One more thing....suggesting residents clear their sidewalks is a joke....I will clean my sidewalks when the city cleans the roads in my subdivision..... dont EVEN try to fine me......
anyone disagree with me?????
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Yes State, Governors and Division are clear....as is the highway, and I understand how difficult the situation is, but I just drove down New Burton Road after leaving Dover Downs....it is A B Y S S M A L.
I saw a couple hubcaps on the washboard that was the road and prayed mine wouldnt be added to it as I went across it at about 35- 40 mph....(I was going slow enough for the road conditions, or so I thought but this crept up on me quickly) If I need any front end work done to my old car, the City of dover is getting the bill.....Webbs Lane isnt much better....As for Crossgates and Mayfair....I dont even want to go there.
Don't pat yourselves on the back too soon we're not out of the woods yet.
I did go up to Allentown PA today and although they only have about 18 inches of snow up there-... there was nary a flake on the roads. All was neatly piled on the sides and all the lanes of the roads were open, not half of one and half of another. Perhaps part of the training of snowplow operators would be to observe places like this who have experience clearing the roads and learn from it.
Just my thoughts.
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I wouldn't know. There's still a State of Emergency in Kent & Sussex counties and no one is supposed to be driving yet. It has not yet been lifted.
champion of the people wrote:
It's 11:30 a.m. on Thursday morning. Does anybody know the current conditions of the roadways?
Loockerman Street? State Street? Governor's Avenue?
Route 13, from Dover Mall to Loockerman?
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Nothing but dry, black pavement on Loockerman Street, State Street, Governor's Avenue and Route 13 from State Street, all the way up to Dover Downs. Not one speck of ice or snow on any of these roadways. Even the sidestreets are clear, and the sidewalks on most of these streets are clear as well.
As of 3 p.m. on Thursday, the roads are back to normal. Amazing.
But wait---MORE SNOW in the forecast for Monday!
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