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SeafordParent wrote: he didnt run this district just a school. he ran Delmar just fine and with NO complaints, that is why they are such a good district! you hear nothing bad about it! George is prolly have the same problems there that he had here, no one likes the way he does things and they throw their little tiffs about it. that is why he is no longer here.
One you don't screw your staff (you know the ones that are doing the real job educating the students) out of any years service as a teacher or any other money due them, while you hand yourself a hefty raise, as well as your other district office staff members.
Two you don't publicly castigate your staff in an editorial you write because they won't agree that the methodology that Dr. Stone is ramming down everyones throat isn't working, and the teachers have the proof it isn't.
Three you don't lie to taxpayers in the district about what money requested is being used for, and still continue to refuse to explain where the money went from the last referendum.
Four as the former administrator of Cape Henlopen and now current School Board Committee chairperson said at a meeting I attended when Dr. Stone began aguing in a public school board meeting with a teacher who had the floor at the time, demanding the teacher sit down.
"Dr. Stone as you know I was an Administrator as well and I started at the bottom working up from a teachers aid, NEVER did the word Administrator equate Dictator and it will not now either. You will listen to your teachers who are the ones in the classrooms everyday with our students and children. Who better to seek an opinion from about what works and what doesn't, than the very people who spend the most time with them during school hours."
George Stone in my personal opinion from what I have seen and heard personally, as well as read in school board minutes from meetings, could care less about anyone elses viewpoints or educational philosophy, it's only about him and what he believes works, it's a dream of his to have the academy like he will have a Cape Henlopen, it's not about what is in the best interest overall for the whole student body. Since when does JRROTC attendence take precedent over the required courses in order to graduate, it happens all the time at Cape. Discipline is a joke a student can amass 30 first offense warnings before there are any serious consequences of any form of punishment, because of a flaw in the system George Stone put in place. It has created a very tough enviornment to educate the students who are not discipline problems.
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3dogday wrote: SeafordParent wrote:
i am not going to argue with you you seem to be satisfied with the status quo or are a member of it and dont like hearing how much you suck
It has nothing to do with "status quo" and everything to do with the fact that you have no idea what you are talking about. Perhaps you are just repeating things your "disgruntled" teacher friend said.
It's pretty well established that you don't check facts, or you would know what Mr. Christy says is true.
Do something positive for a change. Quit whining.
3dd
well I am not the only one talking. why dont you pick a fight with SOS, or whocaresanymore or gladtogetaway or Iammykidsmom. they seem to know as much as i do and provide even more enlightening facts than i do. or are you just scared of the truth? it hurts doesnt it?
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Bill Christy wrote: SeafordParent wrote: what school district does?
That's not the point you stated george Stone was great when he was with your district and he was driven out. I would hazard to guess he was driven out because of his dictorial way of running a district while he screws teachers and staff out of salaries that are duly owed them under state law. Funny though he gives himself and his district staff fat raises. I wonder was he earning anywhere near his current salary of $160,000 while he was with your district.
he didnt run this district just a school. he ran Delmar just fine and with NO complaints, that is why they are such a good district! you hear nothing bad about it! George is prolly have the same problems there that he had here, no one likes the way he does things and they throw their little tiffs about it. that is why he is no longer here.
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SeafordParent wrote: what school district does?
That's not the point you stated george Stone was great when he was with your district and he was driven out. I would hazard to guess he was driven out because of his dictorial way of running a district while he screws teachers and staff out of salaries that are duly owed them under state law. Funny though he gives himself and his district staff fat raises. I wonder was he earning anywhere near his current salary of $160,000 while he was with your district.
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SeafordParent wrote:
i am not going to argue with you you seem to be satisfied with the status quo or are a member of it and dont like hearing how much you suck
It has nothing to do with "status quo" and everything to do with the fact that you have no idea what you are talking about. Perhaps you are just repeating things your "disgruntled" teacher friend said.
It's pretty well established that you don't check facts, or you would know what Mr. Christy says is true.
Do something positive for a change. Quit whining.
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3dogday wrote: Oh boy! If those two are your "sensible leaders" then now I understand why you say ridiculous things. Neither were "chased off" as you state, but both left for other jobs. You really don't have a clue, SP. None of your ramblings ever made sense, and now we know why!
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i am not going to argue with you you seem to be satisfied with the status quo or are a member of it and dont like hearing how much you suck
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Bill Christy wrote: George Stone doesn't believe he or his district has to follow the state guidelines and laws in place.
what school district does?
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SeafordParent wrote: my source is someone who has been there for years when the school flourished under sensible leaders like Chad Carmack and George Stone. they werent bullies! and theyd still be here working wonders if they hadnt been chased off by stagnant backward thinking leaders like vansciver or earl cannon
George Stone is one of the worst administrators I have ever met. Ol George makes close to $160,000.00 in the Cape district. If you still had him he would be screwing up your school district as bad as he has Cape Henlopens. Maybe you should look into the number of lawsuits brought against the district by teachers and staff since George Stone arrived, mostly in regard to salary because George Stone doesn't believe he or his district has to follow the state guidelines and laws in place. Talk to taxpayers who approved a referendum for the new school and equipment only to find out the monies were used for pay raises for the district administrative staff.
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SeafordParent wrote: my source is someone who has been there for years when the school flourished under sensible leaders like Chad Carmack and George Stone. they werent bullies! and theyd still be here working wonders if they hadnt been chased off by stagnant backward thinking leaders like vansciver or earl cannon
Oh boy! If those two are your "sensible leaders" then now I understand why you say ridiculous things. Neither were "chased off" as you state, but both left for other jobs. You really don't have a clue, SP. None of your ramblings ever made sense, and now we know why!
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The Middle School has one of the best principals in Sussex County. She has developed a team. Like all teams, everyone can't be happy at the same time, but they can still be a team. She took on the challenge of a school that no one wanted. Her expectations are high for her students and for her staff and they are the same expectations that she holds herself and family to. The school district is lucky to have her in that position. She is definately promotable, but it will be a sad day for the Middle School when she moves into the superintendent's office.
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my source is someone who has been there for years when the school flourished under sensible leaders like Chad Carmack and George Stone. they werent bullies! and theyd still be here working wonders if they hadnt been chased off by stagnant backward thinking leaders like vansciver or earl cannon
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Sadly, you continue to talk about something with which you have no idea. My guess is your source is one of the problems at the middle school and not part of the solution either.
I will leave you to your posting - I will return to working with our schools and not against them. It is time better well spent.
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Seaford Parent Too! wrote: That would make her "Wonder Woman" instead of "Cruella"!
well that is what you are making her out to be with your nice comments about the job she has done. sadly it is all smoke and mirrors
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Seaford Parent Too! wrote: Do you really think that any school, or principal, can make kids "perfect"? They are kids - the responsibility for their actions belongs to their parents more then any one at the school. Please don't tell me you think that it is her responsibility to cure all ills with kids, set the climate at the middle school, and the high school? That would make her "Wonder Woman" instead of "Cruella"!
There is no responsibility anymore. The kids take no responsibility for their actions (they blame someone else). The parents don't take responsibility for their kids actions(they blame someone else).
Teachers and administrators work with what they are given on a day-to-day basis. The kids have their minds made up well before the school day starts as to how their day is going to go.
Times have changed... Maybe someday we will once again have a society where someone will be able to say: "That was my fault" "He didn't do it, I did"
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Do you really think that any school, or principal, can make kids "perfect"? They are kids - the responsibility for their actions belongs to their parents more then any one at the school. Please don't tell me you think that it is her responsibility to cure all ills with kids, set the climate at the middle school, and the high school? That would make her "Wonder Woman" instead of "Cruella"!
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well if that is so and she has been on the job now for oh 3 or 4 years is it? then why hasnt it helped the high school out? they are the same kids she once had in the middle school, therefore they should be doing just as well for the next school, right? obviously nothing is true. that is all the evidence I need.
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Zoo? You have to be kidding! That is so far from the truth! My bet is that your sources are those, who like many here, always find something to complain about! Most people who spend so much time complaining are usually part of the problem! My suggestion would be for them to go someplace else and then see if they really had anything to complain about after all! "Cruella" as you call her has shaped that school up!
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3dogday wrote: SP, II - You make a good point. It seems that people fuss when "nothing" is being done, and they criticize when someone does something!
3dd
exactly, something that is no good  which is like nothing!
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Seaford Parent Too! wrote: Actually, it seems to me that people enjoy complaining. You have criticized the high school for not doing enough - but call the MS principal "Cruella", I assume for taking charge of her school - and getting results. Which do you want? Again, I will say that the middle school has made so many changes and things are going well!
it looks good on the surface but you actually have to talk to someone who works there, both my neighbor and my cousin, to get the real scoop. the place is still a zoo. the programs "Cruella" has started create an atmosphere that is as thin as the ozone layer. "Cruella" is as much a bully towards teachers as the high school principal just in a different way.
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SP, II - You make a good point. It seems that people fuss when "nothing" is being done, and they criticize when someone does something!
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Actually, it seems to me that people enjoy complaining. You have criticized the high school for not doing enough - but call the MS principal "Cruella", I assume for taking charge of her school - and getting results. Which do you want? Again, I will say that the middle school has made so many changes and things are going well!
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SeafordParent wrote:
my grammar is poor by choice. i dont really want to look all that smart and besides i got tired of typing good. maybe stupid people read stupid easier
Well, at least you've accomplished one thing in your lifetime.
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3dogday wrote: Boy, SP, you think pretty highly of yourself if you think that Cruella, et al really sit around trying to figure out who you are!
Besides, I know who you are. You are one of "them". Those ignorant people who can't spell, have poor grammar, and have nothing to do but whine about things in the past. Or make them up. Your facts are frequently wrong, you repeat fourth-hand gossip, don't check your sources, and can't put together a coherent argument. You represent that 40% of the population that loves to stir the pot and isn't smart enough to have an original idea.
You are pathetic, ignorant, lonely, and live vicariously through others.
PS - See the little checkmark with the ABC over it? Use it occasionally.
3dd
and you are obviously one of the people who we are complaining about who never listen to us to begin with when we gave or submitted original ideas, who believes they are doing everything right, which is usually nothing, and live smuggly making 75000+ a year which is highway roberry for the results you actually produce.
my grammar is poor by choice. i dont really want to look all that smart and besides i got tired of typing good. maybe stupid people read stupid easier or take it more seriously. obviously they do since you are taking the time to read it and attack it
as i have maintained all along no one would be hear complaining or saying anything if there was nothing to complain about but that is too hard to accomplish isnt it?
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Boy, SP, you think pretty highly of yourself if you think that Cruella, et al really sit around trying to figure out who you are!
Besides, I know who you are. You are one of "them". Those ignorant people who can't spell, have poor grammar, and have nothing to do but whine about things in the past. Or make them up. Your facts are frequently wrong, you repeat fourth-hand gossip, don't check your sources, and can't put together a coherent argument. You represent that 40% of the population that loves to stir the pot and isn't smart enough to have an original idea.
You are pathetic, ignorant, lonely, and live vicariously through others.
PS - See the little checkmark with the ABC over it? Use it occasionally.
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as a matter a fact i was there for saturdays baseball game. in the school is a different story. i dont like getting interrogated anymore when i do go there, having no kids there anymore just nieces and nephews so i avoid it when i can. they are so desparetly trying to find out who all of us are so
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When was the last time you were at either school?
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thats because the middle school is run by Cruella DeVille or is it Eva Braun. besides, it hasnt filtered its way up to the high school yet has it. youd think if the kids were so well trained it would find its way up or follow along but it hasnt.
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Have you not paid attention to everything great going on at the Middle School? My child attends and it has been a wonderful experience!
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3dogday wrote: SOS - Apparently she also has no problem being a hypocrite. If Mrs. Kimpton gets elected, we'll have 2 school board members who don't send their children to Seaford. I don't get irritated very often but hypocrisy really bothers me. If you worked for GM you wouldn't buy a Honda.
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There is currently one Kimpton child in the high school. How can that be hypocritic? There have been several staff members and even employees of the SHS that have their children in other schools or home schooled. It is important to have options and good matches for your children. Again, Mrs. Kimpton is one of the most dedicated parents in our school district. She is not only a dedicated parent, an excellent parent leader in the schools, and intelligent. The SHS administration cringes when she asks questions during the leadership meetings. She is not afraid of doing the right thing and asking the tough questions. She is an advocate for the children of the SSD. When she is on the board, I hope the SHS principal does not role his eyes the way he has in leadership meetings. Have you seen a GM plant parking lot lately? There are several Hondas and Toyotas in the parking lot. That is what happens when the quality drops.
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3dogday wrote: SOS - Apparently she also has no problem being a hypocrite. If Mrs. Kimpton gets elected, we'll have 2 school board members who don't send their children to Seaford. I don't get irritated very often but hypocrisy really bothers me. If you worked for GM you wouldn't buy a Honda.
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well when we vote for her, she will have 2 in the school. i don't blame her for sending her yougnest to ssas. the ms has not improved enough to get my confidence either! it is not hypocrasy, far from it! at least she is tired of the "old boys club" running the show in seaford, you don't hear that from the other 2 candidates. heck one said he doesnt see any real problems other than dress code. what is that? why are you running then other than to make a name for yourself?
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SOS - Apparently she also has no problem being a hypocrite. If Mrs. Kimpton gets elected, we'll have 2 school board members who don't send their children to Seaford. I don't get irritated very often but hypocrisy really bothers me. If you worked for GM you wouldn't buy a Honda.
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i find this funny, anyone else?
"An Evening with the Superintendent"
Tuesday, May 19, 2009
from 6:00 p.m. until 8:00 p.m.
in the Ashok Champaneria Board Room
(located in the Seaford School District Administrative Offices at 390 N. Market Street, Ext.)
Parents and Community members are invited to attend for an opportunity to
meet and interact with Superintendent, Dr. Russ Knorr.
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I urge all the SSD residents to vote for K. Kimpton. She is the future of the SSD. She will fight for change and save our school district. She is bright, successful woman who has dedicated many many hours to the school district. She and her husband have raised and they are still raising a beautiful family.
She is not a "yes" person, and she is candid and direct. She does not provide lip service. If she does not know, she researches the issue. Her seat on the board will be one of the best things that has happened to the high school and the entire district.
She understands that the future of Seaford lies in the hands of the quality of education that we offer our students. She understands the power of strong leadership in the district and what is needed.
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Folks! You just don't get it. When your computer has a virus, you fix it. When you are sick, you go to the doctors. The high school is sick and no one wants to fix it. There are parts of the school district that are sick, but no one wants to fix it.
The leadership of the high school needs to be removed or fixed. The fixing part has been tried. The high school leadership only communicates with a small circle of friends that tell him what he wants to hear. We do have good people at all levels in the high school. The problem is that the school leader does not want to listen, he does not care, and he never follows-through with anything that is attempted. He does not have appropriate people skills for dealing with staff, parents, and students. His attitude is about "me". Staff members try to bring problems and issues to him. He does want to hear it. Staff members have brought ideas to his side of the desk, he does not want to hear it. He only acts on a few things that might hit the media. He does not communicate with his staff, only a piece of the staff. For example, most of the teachers have to go to the Internet to see if the school is closing early due to inclement weather. Several staff members heard about the latest bomb threat from teachers at another school because their resource officer had shared with them that Seaford High School had a bomb threat. He does not know all the names of his staff. At the last open house, he struggled when he had to introduce his staff to the guests. He made the excuse that it was difficult because the staff was not sitting with their departments. To the best of my knowledge, he has never sent any member of his staff a card except for the group Christmas card. Staff have babies, deaths, illnesses, and other issues ---he does not care. Previous principals cared. He just lacks basic manners. Credit should be given to Dr. V and Dr. K. because they do these things and they do not have to. Cards are sent out from both of them for all kinds of situations and birthdays are recognized. Again, they do not have to do this. Yes, there are other leadership issues with these two gentlemen, but they do try to recognize and assist their staff that are in need.
The entire standards of the school and the morale of the school has declined rapidly since the last leadership change. Why doesn't anyone want to fix it? Only the people inside really know whats not going on. The high school school needs a new HEALTH PLAN!
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SeafordParent wrote: well guess what, you are in here gossiping about gossip i guess that makes you as bad as us doesnt it? you could just ignore it like your bosses do in seaford or maybe they arent and they are tired of it cause it is actually getting to them now. you think?
Nah, it'll never get to them. Til the day comes that they finally get taken out of that district, it'll never put a dent in their armor.
Like it was said before, certain people walk through the doors everyday at that school knowing they are hated from all sides, but yet, they still have no problem...
Maybe it's because of the paycheck...
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well guess what, you are in here gossiping about gossip i guess that makes you as bad as us doesnt it? you could just ignore it like your bosses do in seaford or maybe they arent and they are tired of it cause it is actually getting to them now. you think?
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But admitted to being a gossip:
Gossip also serves as a non-demanding way of engaging in idle talk. It is an activity to pass the time with someone that requires no strain on the brain needed for creating substantive exchanges. We can just pass judgements on what the neighbors are doing as a form of entertainment.
For some people gossip is a way to avoid dealing with their own problems by concentrating on how poorly others solve theirs. It is a way to deflect criticism or even appreciation from others. Once the energy is placed on what others should do better, its mere wisdom frees us from becoming accountable for ourselves.
Some people use gossip with intended malice to harm others. This is a most despicable behavior that is never justified.
Ancient Eastern Indian mythology considers gossip a form of mental illness. Religions abhor and disallow it. Psychoanalysts report that gossip is harmful to the individual and creates many emotional difficulties such as suspiciousness, fear, mistrust and depression. Gossip is toxic to one's soul and destroys friendships and relationships.
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im no coward. i went to meetings district and other and voiced my opinions. i went unheard. now i choose to vent here
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arent we all gossiping when it comes down to it? but hey no one wants to listen to my complaints in person and do anything so this is just easy
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SeafordParent wrote: i believe that person is saying that they made their opinions known and that is how they have been proactive. frankly when they fall on deaf ears i cannot understand how successful they are.
Also, it depends how proactive he is by the individuals he decides to talk to. Some might think it is just gossip.
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i believe that person is saying that they made their opinions known and that is how they have been proactive. frankly when they fall on deaf ears i cannot understand how successful they are.
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SeafordCO2008 wrote: Oh I am and want to be proactive. I have made my opinions well known. I just don't want to be identified as or accused of being you or anyone else in here so I can lose my job! Because you know as I do that such things could happen
I am confused! How can that be proactive?
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Oh I am and want to be proactive. I have made my opinions well known. I just don't want to be identified as or accused of being you or anyone else in here so I can lose my job! Because you know as I do that such things could happen
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SeafordCO2008 wrote: Well, I have been around longer than you realize. All I know is that writing anything defaming or deriding in here is really not worth it and does not help. I prefer to stay neutral and positive, upbeat and patient. Neutral does not work. People need to take action. We have theee students and parents. We have an administration that may not be the team that can turn the school around. So we should just give up , stand back, be patient, and let things happen naturally. Welll that has gone on long enough. We (teachers, law enforcement, administrators, and community) all need specialized training. We need to meet with the experts from districts that experienced the same thing. Basically, the citizens of Seaford are putting the safety of their families and property at risk. We are teaching the majority of the students, we are not enstilling morals and values in these students, and we are losing these students. Once they drop out, they are free to roam the streets. Seaford should be a small, quaint, rural community, but in fact; it is becoming a ghetto with crack alley's boundries widening. Facts are facts and it is not about defaming anyone. One, two or a few people cannot make this work. It takes a group with numbers. This would be a positive direction for SEA to take instead of the Mickey Mouse stuff that they focus on. People, you need to wake up. Education is more than a job, it is a lifeline of a community.
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Well, I have been around longer than you realize. All I know is that writing anything defaming or deriding in here is really not worth it and does not help. I prefer to stay neutral and positive, upbeat and patient.
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SeafordCO2008 wrote: All right then you try to become principal and see if you can do any better. Otherwise, quit complaining and let nature take its course. I personally put more blame on parents these days for the problems teachers face. They do not work with us, they work against or do not work at all then want to blame us. That is all I need to know!
Why don't you people spend your time complaining about them? Maybe then those posts will get in the paper and they will get the message! I think you misunderstood. There was no complaining in my post. These are facts. Complaining does no good at all. So it does not work for the teachers to complain about the parents at all. The reason we have such a large percentage of inappropriate parents is because the city of Seaford sold out to Section 8 housing. The community leaders are at fault and ruined the profile of the community. You give up a lot when you go into the housing business. Yes, we have bad parents and some horrible kids. The kids are not really at fault because they had no choice at the type of world that they came into and they cannot pick their parents. Previous principals embraced these kids, showed them that they cared, made house visits, and personally made calls home. Six years ago, we had parents show up for activities and volunteer. There are bad students and bad schools all over the United States, and there are people that are making a difference. It could be done in Seaford but not with the administrative attitude. It's not their job! You are new to the staff, but there was a time when the principals and teachers made home visits and hospital visits for the kids. It did help.
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All right then you try to become principal and see if you can do any better. Otherwise, quit complaining and let nature take its course. I personally put more blame on parents these days for the problems teachers face. They do not work with us, they work against or do not work at all then want to blame us. That is all I need to know!
Why don't you people spend your time complaining about them? Maybe then those posts will get in the paper and they will get the message!
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